In this episode, we learn that even Sharon Stone can be misdiagnosed, but there are lessons to be learned! Thanks for listening Uterinekind!
A common occurrence across uterinekind is the development of a severe uterine condition. Fibroids, PCOS, and endometriosis are conditions we’ve dealt with for decades upon decades, so why do we know so little and how do these conditions remain undiagnosed? Speaking up about your conditions, severe symptoms and patient experiences could be the spark that evolves a health system from biased to beautiful (and inclusive, supportive, caring, effective). In today’s episode, we listen to two incredible stories about taking action in times of medical mayhem. Catch a glimpse into how you could greatly impact the future of gynecologic care.
While speaking out for yourself is a fantastic way to get involved in changing gynecologic care and combating these out-of-date systems, there is another great alternative. Tuesday, November 8th is the midterm elections and our future is on the ballot! Voting is crucial for securing a safe future and access to healthcare for all uterinekind. Please get out and vote if you haven’t! Take a friend and share your voting stickers with us on Instagram!
Lastly, we end on a high note. Trust me, this is the cleanest high note yet!
Thanks for listening, learning, and being you. And join us back here every Tuesday for all things uterus, in service to you, uterinekind.
Carol: Enough with misdiagnoses medical mayhem and all shades of gas lighting, we aren't going back and we are never gonna be the same. I'm Carol Johnson and this is Hello Uterus.
2022 has been quite a year. It feels like we're all on a pendulum swinging from those who wanna take away human rights to those fighting to protect them. I'm firmly in the camp that says, when we are informed and speak out, we cannot and will not be silenced or controlled.
On today's episode, we'll look at two women speaking out and what their words mean for gynecologic care, but first uterus in the news.
Bow Hines, a Republican candidate in North Carolina running for the 13th. Congressional District believes, bless his dead little heart that a pregnant person should go before a community review if they want to seek an abortion. Hines wants victims of sexual violence to endure cross examination by members of the community.
These people have you voted? If not, and you don't plan to the ability to access reproductive healthcare will be stolen by those who think you can swallow a camera and it will end up in your uterus. It's 2022, not the 18 hundreds, and we are not going back to the 18 hundreds. Uterine healthcare is a human right. Those with a uterus are not second class citizens, and no one has the right to dictate our healthcare choices in less than a year. The choice to repeal ROE has proven to be physically dangerous for those who become pregnant mentally and emotionally. It's been a gut punch. That broke through the other side. The Scotts decision has been brutal for healthcare professionals and patients. While politicians run around using healthcare as a weapon, it will be nearly impossible for research to continue on the female system. It's already so difficult to get funding for this research. , it will become even more difficult if not, potentially outlawed.
And we will suffer from a lack of innovation in treatments for female conditions, which is something that we deal with today. And it's not good. It's gross. I hope that you have all voted to stop it. And return body autonomy rights to humans. So the only uterus news that matters this week is vote because all future news will be impacted by who we elect. So this podcast goes out on election day. If you have not voted, please, please vote please. I'm super excited by, what I witnessed to be, really passionate and proactive work that's being done by millions to protect the human rights of women LGBTQ plus. Trans non-binary. All the future versions of the human system that we are going to encounter, we're gonna, we're gonna protect the rights of those beings no matter what, but it starts with voting.
So I hope that you all have your I voted sticker. And after this quick break, a story about the father of gynecology and the woman who is putting him in his proper place.
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There is a building at 33 South Perry Street in downtown Montgomery, Alabama. That once served as a space where medical experiments were conducted on female slaves by a person, some call the father of gynecology, a proper patriarchal name, yet quite the benign term for a man who performed experiments on black enslaved girls and women in the 1840s, a time period. Some people. In elected positions of power today and throughout the upper echelon of society in America, wished to revisit anyway back to the father of Gynecology. He is also known as his, perhaps more appropriate name, Dr. Butcher. Now the site at 33 South Perry Street is set to undergo a multimillion dollar transformation that will ultimately provide reproductive healthcare for black women and others. And we have artist and activist, Michelle Browder, to thank. Michelle purchased the two story building. That physician Dr. J Marion Sims used for his gross disgusting medical experiments in March of 2021.
Michelle was in Los Angeles at an event and she asked the public to bring to the event discarded metal objects so they could be used to form a monument. She was interviewed by the LA Times, and while her Every word stands out, these two quotes are really powerful. Discarded objects represent how black women have been treated in this country, but it also represents the beauty that's in the broken and the discarded. Super, super powerful. and spot on and the second quote that really stands out is this one. If you've ever had a Pap smear, you have Anca, Lucy and Betsy. To thank Anca, Lucy and Betsy were three young slaves operated on repeatedly by Sims. Sims is quoted as saying the following. He's not even quoted as saying, he literally wrote this himself in his autobiography. Ugh. Here's the quote. In addition to Anca, Betsy and Lucy, I got three or four more to experiment on, and there was never a time that I could not at any day have had a subject for operation. But my operations all failed.
This went on, not for one year, but for two and three, and even four years. Oh my God.
the surgeries, which were repeated again and again on the same women, 30 times on Anar. Were painful and performed without anesthesia. Sims wrote of the results of one, and I quote him stupid thing. He tested in his own words. He says, Lucy's agony was extreme. She was much frustrated and I thought she was going to.
After she had recovered entirely from the effects of this unfortunate experiment, I put her on a table to examine
boy gross, inhumane, repulsive. Sims was given slaves who could not reproduce to birth more slaves or work in the fields. Because of complications from birth. So what use were they? That is literally how men thought back then,
back then I found a study. I. Using that word loosely, written by Dr. L Lewis Wall, a gynecologist at the Washington University School of Medicine. It's a spanking for anyone who dares to doubt the sacrifice. Ingenious. That is Sims. He states in his op-ed passed off his research. Although enslaved African American women certainly represented a vulnerable population in the 19th century American South, the evidence suggests that SIM's original patients were willing participants in his surgical attempts to cure their affliction, a condition for which no other viable therapy existed at the time.
This guy is trying to, is trying to clean up this mess. In, in, in 2006, he wrote this. You're trying to clean up this mess from Sims in 2006. You've got nothing better to do with your time as a gynecologist at a medical school than to place word after word to try to clean up the reputation of a guy who's nicknamed the butcher.
What choice did they have? I mean, they were slaves discarded by their owners because they couldn't be used for work or for breeding. Sims literally complained about having to feed them. Yet this guy is trying to keep his name clean.
It's not a wake up call. Cuz, you know, cuz we're woke. Right? It's not a wake up call. It's a reminder though, that the conditioning is deep. It's deep, it's thick, it's ingrained the patriarchal conditioning is like endometriosis, like deep infiltrating endometriosis.
It is in there. And if we have people like the doctor here trying to, taking his, very, limited time. to try to clean up sims as opposed to focusing on how we can better care for people who are routinely gas lit because of their gender.
, It's both shocking and illuminating because when you read something like this posted in the National Institute of Health's Library of Medicine, right? When you read something like this, , you are just like, Wow, we haven't, we've got a long way to go. We've come far.
Maybe, I don't know. We, we got a long way to go. That's for. So back to Michelle, please. Back to Sanity. Michelle's sculpture is called Mothers of Gynecology. And let me tell you, words cannot describe the power of this magnificent representation of Lucy and be. We will share an interview on our Instagram about the sculpture.
Please follow us at Uterine Kind, and we hope to have Michelle on to talk about her project that will ensure black women and others in Alabama have access to humane gynecologic care, and in places like Alabama. That is a desperate and urgent need as. Practices and health systems closed down. Access to female and gynecologic care.
Last word on Michelle Browder in 2022. She was named as one of USA Today's Women of the Year, and it is well deserved and we applaud her. Michelle Browder is an example of a person digging deep into her pockets and into her creativity and her talents, and working her butt off to change the way uterine care is experienced for people in her community and around the world. Anyone who comes across her story is impacted for sure. And then on perhaps another end of the spectrum, but I believe no less impactful is Sharon Stone and the case of the misdiagnosed fibroid.
What does a person have to do to get a fibroid diagnosis around here? This is a mystery. I mean, hello, Sharon Stone. Sharon Stone. You would think that this would not be an issue. In fact, I go way back into the Hello Uterus archives to an interview that we had with a doctor in our very first episode, Dr.
Gar, who's an amazing doctor who diagnoses fibroids in her patients, like the day they walk in because she believes what people are telling her, and because she performs. A thorough diagnostic exam to determine what the root cause of their so-called bad periods or painful periods might be. Well, Sharon Stone shared on Instagram that she was misdiagnosed and offered epidurals to block the pain that she was complaining about, which was caused by a giant freaking fibroid growing in her uterus.
Here's a person with what I am gonna assume is the ultimate access. when she walks in the room, one would expect that she's listened to and that she receives the very best healthcare. Instead, her fibroid was undiagnosed. So do not blame yourself if your condition remains undiagnosed because Sharon Stone, Basic instinct.
Sharon Stone couldn't get the fibroid diagnosed.
Instead of diagnosing her fibroid, she was given two epidurals. I mean, that is just incredible.
So how does this happen? If, if a fibroid diagnosis is straightforward, how does it happen that somebody like Sharon Stone is having her symptoms dismissed and an assumptive diagnosis is latched onto, and then up comes the anesthesiologist who's gonna cram a needle into your spine and two epidurals later?
And it wasn't that, that doesn't fix the problem. Epidurals. Do not make fibroids. Go away. I'm not a doctor, but I know that . Oh my goodness. So how does it happen? Bias. Bias. I wanna know. I actually, I don't even, It's not like, I don't know. Right. I was gonna say, I wanna know what's going on in medical schools.
But after reading that Guy's op-ed, that somehow is published on the National Institute of Health Library of Medicine, as if it was a study. When you see that kind of stuff, you can pretty much figure out what's happening, but like, seriously, how desensitized must physicians in training become as a result of going through medical school in, in, in order to ignore patient complaints to such a degree that, it, almost strikes as like borderline malpractice,
That is like an unwinding of humanity, and I guess it must happen super slowly. I'm sure just like in any, job or company or institution or what have you, you've got like the people who excel and who do amazing and the other people who are mailing it in, and then you've got like the mediocre middle and stuff.
But it seems like in the field of gynecology, like something else is going on. it is yes. That slow sort of desensitization. To people's complaints. And then I guess at the same time, there's like this increase in one's, being enamored with one's own brain, right?
Like, so the doctor's like, Oh, I've seen this before a thousand times. I totally know what this is. and meanwhile they don't , you know, it's like, oh really? You know what this is? Because, we. Almost nothing about the female system. I mean, sure we know a lot of cool stuff, but for a large number of very important questions.
The correct answer, correct. As defined by, regulatory body like the FDA is, there's no data to support. or we lack the data or we don't have data. In other words, we don't know . That's a one way of saying it. The other way of saying it is we don't care enough to find out to fund the research.
I have read and I continue to read every single week articles written by physicians who must. From patients that the level of gaslighting happening in a consultation room is a major problem, it's a major problem. Yet they still comment in these pieces that they write that are, articles that are written for patients to read in order for them to learn about conditions and to learn, like, for instance, how to get fibroids diagnosed and things like.
and in these articles, the way they're written is such that the blame is placed on the patient, right? The patient is normalizing their symptoms. The patient is not accurately describing their experience to physicians.
Complicating the ability to get a diagnosis. Blaming the patient maybe. Maybe it's that communication between the patient and physician is problematic because of judgments and bias and routine. What do I mean by routine? The process of thinking, you know what she's gonna say before she says it, that what she's about to say is wrong because she's saying it, that she's maybe hysterical because, well, she's a she.
That eyes should roll when the patient says, I. Dismissing their ability to read and digest information about the female system. You know, the one that is located inside their own freaking bodies. Another routine. The process of medicating symptoms before definitively diagnosing the root cause of the symptoms, which appears to be what Sharon Stone experienced and also what Gabrielle Union experienced
Sharon Stone received two epidurals to treat AUB dash L or aub, abnormal uterine bleeding dash L for LE Myomas, which is the clinical word for fibroids and AUB dash L is also the clinical classification for fibroids. For Gabrielle, it was Adenomyosis or AUB Dash. A Gabrielle was put on birth control to treat her heavy bleeding in painful periods, and her adenomyosis remained undiagnosed for years.
Looking back, Union describes the birth control she was prescribed as a patch or a bandaid for what was really going on with her health. I think several of us can completely understand that experience because we've also dealt with it by several, I mean millions. There's a quote from Gabrielle that I wanna share with you.
The pill can mask all kinds of things. Mm-hmm. , ain't that the truth? It is amazing at preventing pregnancy also so truthful, but not so great with addressing adenomyosis. Very clear. in that little quote, we get three really powerful pieces of information about. It's used, prescribed wildly and widely to mask undiagnosed chronic conditions by reducing symptoms.
It's when I'm in a really bad mood. Do you know what I call that? I call that the shutting us up prescription. Get her to stop complaining, get her some pills. Get her outta my office. She also indicates that it is amazing at preventing pregnancy, and it is, and then not so great with addressing adenomyosis.
Of course not because conditions like fibroids and adenomyosis and endometriosis are hormonally dependent. Or another way to say it would be like hormonally activated or supported or fed conditions. So if you go in, Oh, by the way, they also, they all share so many of the same symptoms, right? So if you go in and you're like, My periods are bad, you're gonna get prescribed birth control pills.
So we, one of my, like my biggest wish ever is that we stop saying that, is that we just, across the board, that we stop saying my periods are bad and that we decouple. Our physical issues from our period from that, that just that not that we're decoupling our conditions from like hormones or the endocrine system or any of those kinds of things, but that way just we're just separating it from the period for now, because when people hear, my periods are bad, certain physicians will immediate.
Prescribe a birth control pill and feel like they are doing the best thing ever for their patients.
Instead, the key is to get a definitive diagnosis. Okay. That is so, so important and it to your right, and I am happy to have somebody come on and tell me that I'm wrong about this, but. There are a lot of people who do not get the benefit of having a definitive diagnosis, and it feels like it is the result of bias and a complete and total lack of curiosity and empathy when it comes to people's experiences with their uterus.
So can you use birth control pills to manage fibroids or can you use them to manage adenomyosis? Well, maybe, We don't know enough about we, first of all, we don't know what causes those conditions. We know what tends to happen when those conditions are. Heavy bleeding, painful pelvic pain, , which is like painful pelvic pain. Ah, you know, I'm just getting all riled up right now. Anyway, the symptoms are like largely the same. When you get into the details of the symptoms, you can start to spot things that. Indicate one condition over another. But if the conversation happening in the consultation room is one, like my periods are really bad and the doctor's like, Here's some birth control.
Now you're masking symptoms and you're, putting hormones into a hormone soup, and there's something about that soup that is already out of balance, which is why these conditions, are happening, right? We don't know what causes them, but we know that when these conditions are present, there is a, an imbalance in the hormonal messaging that's going on in the body, a disruption.
If you.
So while birth control pills can make periods lighter and milder, they can also accelerate the growth of fibroids, and they can also mask the presence of fibroids in other conditions, leaving them undiagnosed. And these are progressive diseases, meaning that they continue to spread and get worse if left undiagnosed, and they may be.
By the hormonal treatments used to suppress the symptoms,
aggravating the condition even more. Right. And the doctor's response to that is gonna be, if these don't work, come back in and we'll try another one. . Okay. Can look, that's, that sounds awfully experimental. And if there weren't. Hundreds of thousands of people complaining about the side effects of birth control pills, if not millions.
I don't know. and if we weren't seeing research out of places like Denmark that suggest that oral contraceptives and other hormonal medications are causing terrible experiences for people, depression, suicide ideation. anxiety. So yeah, their, bleeding might go down a little bit or it might go down a whole lot, which isn't gonna matter at all if other symptoms are exacerbated.
And, and those symptoms have to do with our brain. we're really effective at dealing with heavy bleeding. You know, we can MacGyver a setup to catch every drop of blood when we're on our periods. We can suck up the fact that we bled through a skirt or we bled onto our boyfriend's couch. We can deal with that stuff.
It sucks, but we can deal with it. But if you are feeling this heavy. Depression cloud come over you. And because no one explained that that is a potential side effect of hormonal medications, you don't connect the dots. And of course you wouldn't connect the dots then that is, that's like a form of.
Medicine, gas, lighting, , so there's medical, gas lighting, which is just gas lighting when you're, dealing when you're in a, an appointment or. Trying to get care in the ER for pain and they're, they're telling you that you're a pill seeker and all of that nonsense, but then there's also like the gaslighting that happens as a result of the actual medication itself, which is again, pro birth control.
Also pro research, also pro definitive diagnosis.
So, yeah, they might make your bleeding a little bit better and maybe in some cases they actually sort of tamp down on the fibroids ability to grow or the progression of adenomyosis or endometriosis. In, in, in a lot of cases they don't at all, and in some cases they actually exacerbate the condition and accelerate its progress.
and it's spread
so it just gets worse and is, and remains undiagnosed. And then you go in and you're complaining, you're like, Ah, God, I don't feel better. How's your bleeding? It's it, my bleeding's not an issue. Okay, well that's good. No, no, no, no. That's not, the only problem.
And now there's other problems, And now I'm feeling really anxious and I'm having trouble sleeping. And gosh, I feel kind of like I'm in a fog and I can't make decisions and, I don't know, man, something's up. No, no, we don't. there's nothing that could cause that. Certainly not birth control pills.
come on now. So the bleeding can be reduced. Uh, the cramping can be reduced.
One of the, primary symptoms of fibroids is intense cramping and birth control pills decrease the amount of prostaglandins, which are, if, if you listen to like one of our earlier episodes when you had a full on deep dive into those puppies, they're the chemicals that make the uterus contract. And so if you have fewer contractions, Then you're going to have fewer contractions during your menstrual cycle.
Then you're gonna have reduced cramping overall. But remember, remember the uterus, the non-pregnant uterus is three inches tall, two inches wide at its widest point and one inch thick. And it's like if you took a pancake and you put it on your hand and then you closed your fingers to your wrist.
That's what it's shaped like. It's like a folded pancake. So each of those walls is a half inch thick. So imagine you've got a fibroid in there. It's a size of a grapefruit. That would be like having a F, having a, a growth in your calf muscle. That was the size of a grapefruit you'd feel. So yeah, having the contractions reduced a little bit is awesome.
But hey, I've got a fibroid the size of the, of a grapefruit in by uterus. Can we do something about that? The answer is yes, you can.
So while, while maybe the heavy flow is lightened and the cramps are reduced, fibroids can still grow, Adenomyosis can still spread. Adenomyosis by the way, because we didn't define that when we brought up Gabrielle Union is different than fibroids. and it's different from endo adenomyosis is when the endometrial cells, which line your uterine cavity are growing inside the walls of the uter.
So they're not in the cavity where they can have a little bit of space in there to grow and shed. And then the, endometrial cells, the blood from your menstrual cycle sheds out your vagina. With adenomyosis, there's no place for it to go. And because it's a muscle, you can't just have things growing inside your muscle and then shedding blood and all that, that creates
Your body's like, What? No, no, no. That doesn't happen here. That can't happen here. I. Fibroids are a bit different. Fibroids are not composed of the endometrial cells. Fibroids are composed of the cells that make up the muscular wall of the uterus, so they're like hard balls. There have been surgical removals of fibroids that have been the size of watermelons.
How that happens? I don't know. I don't mean the surgery. I mean, the fact that they go undiagnosed. So certain types of birth control can help out. a low dose birth control pill might be recommended, and the thought is that it doesn't have as much estrogen in it, so it doesn't cause the fibroids to.
Those who don't already have uterine fibroids may have a smaller chance of developing them when taking birth control, especially that low dose estrogen pill. And of course, we know that there are positives to birth control, right? Reduced cancer risk and things like that. But there's, Isn't it interesting that the negatives we have to like fight tooth and nail to get research on what these pills are doing to our bodies?
So Another caveat is that we need more research on what causes fibroids and we need better treatment options for these hormonally dependent conditions like fibroids, adenomyosis, and endometriosis, and P C O S and all of them. We've been treated with the same type of hormonal medications. Just in like different formulations, take this, 90 days in a row, take this number of days and this off.
And I get it. It's all awesome that we have these options, but it, it's weird that in gynecology as a whole, we've been treated with the same type of hormonal medications forever because there's a lack of funding, a lack of curiosity, and a lack of care for those with a uterus. And this must change it's time, which reminds me about voting because if we don't vote and if we don't protect the rights of those with a uterus, We will not have better treatments for these conditions, and we need them.
Millions of people are affected. Their quality of life is under the 25th percentile. It's at the bottom of the barrel. People are hanging on. When they have conditions like fibroids and endo and adenomyosis. It's just a little, actually a little moment to pause for me to just tell you all how amazing I think you are.
just amazing. I'm not sure I could, I'm not sure I could have could stick it out the way. I know a lot of you are doing it, showing up to. I'm not sure that I could. because the stories of the pain and the, the anxiety around not understanding what's going on in your body, they're, intense.
And so I just want you all to know that we have so much respect for you. So
Sharon Stone, and Gabrielle Union are just sharing their story and doing so kind of, not in this super, super high profile way. And, but they're getting their story out. and to me it's like a small little sign that we are making progress because nobody talked about fibroid. 30 years ago, publicly and public people, especially those who are women, weren't rewarded for speaking openly about their experience with their bodies on any level, whether it's, you know, with sexuality or their health and wellbeing or their mental wellness.
Nothing we, we were forever. Taught to just smell good smile and not, create waves. And that conditioning still goes on today. So I, I'm just really appreciative. You know, it's a simple little Instagram post for Sharon Stone to make. And to me like it, raises the profile, fibroids and all of that.
But you know what the most important thing was out of all of. The fact that she, she was undiagnosed, right? It's not your fault. You are not to blame. You're not the one who is the problem here. Oh my gosh. Now we have to do it. It's me. Hey, problem, it's me. Okay? Promise. I'll never say again on this podcast, but I mean, come on.
could you let that opportunity slide? Okay, so it's not you. it's our healthcare system. And within it, there are some awesome doctors who are incredible, like Dr. Girl who can diagnose fibroids on your first appointment. And then there's some people out there, you know, who are just, I don't know, just to sleep at the wheel and super patriarchal and judgey and biased and they gaslight people and we're gonna call him out for it and we're not gonna let 'em do it.
That's it. We're done. So thank you, Sharon. Thank you Gabrielle, and goodness gracious. How amazing how amazing that Michelle Browder didn't just create a sculpture. She bought the building, baby. She bought the building. and in within those walls where all of those horrors took place.
She's gonna help people, heal people. It's incredible. She's my hero. She is my hero. And we got a lot to do and we're ready for it. So having heroes like her is really good cuz it keeps us focused and on track and completely motivated. Okay, after this quick break, we'll end on the cleanest high note ever.
Ari Catrina was a service manager at a cleaning company in Finland in the summer of 2021 when she decided to quit to form her own take on a cleaning company. Here's a quote from Ari. My dream is to clean for free all over the world and help people whilst doing something. I absolutely. Oh, that's so amazing.
So what inspired her? She says, she cleaned the home of a woman for two days. By the end of those two days, the woman and her kids were crying and hugging her and thanking her. She said that she could see the transformation in the house and how happy they were, and it was the best feeling ever.
And so she. That's it. That's my calling. I'm gonna clean people's homes for free. She has a TikTok following of 7.8 million fans and 2.1 million on Instagram. She shares cleaning tips and things like that, and then before and after photos of her free cleaning, she landed a corporate sponsor, of course, which.
Offered to cover her expenses. I love how that comes together. It's not like that gross kind of corporate sponsor. It's, you know, like, I'm gonnas show your terrible products because I'm gonna get, you know, a million dollars. She's like, Hey, you gonna give me sponges? , awesome. Then you know, I'll mention your name and you can cover my expenses so that I can go out and clean people's houses for free.
So her dream is now a reality. She decides where to clean from reading requests that she gets online, but chooses. She's so brave. Only the dirtiest grimiest homes belonging to the people who are in the most need. She is an angel. Also goes to show that when you follow your passions and discover the reasons why you're in this life and ignore if those passions don't line up with what's trendy or cool or, gonna make you the most money, or enable you to buy like the most swag or whatever, when you nail.
Passions and the reasons why you're here. Success follows and it's the kind of success that's like super yummy. It's like pure, not fueled by greed or bragging rights or takeovers kind of success. Awesome, Awesome Success. So just so cool. Right. A high note that has No, nothing bad about this high note.
You know, we often have high notes and it's like, Oh God, I'm really sorry to admit that something bad happened, but something good happened. This one is just like, Oh, no, only good. Only good. Quits her job, cleaning people's houses and then blows it wide open by saying, I'm gonna clean everyone's houses for free
And then gets her expenses paid. And she's like, Ludicrously happy, ludicrously happy. So go find her. Alright, Catarina with two eyes. Uh, a u r i k a t a r i i n a. Go find her on TikTok. And on Instagram, find us on Instagram at Uterine Kind. So that's a wrap. Thanks for being here. Thank you, Angel and Marielle, and the whole team at Uterine Kind who cannot wait to unveil the super secret project that we've been working on behind the scenes coming in December.
Drum roll is you by uterine. An app that helps you become a citizen scientist of your own body and accelerate the time from symptom onset to definitive diagnosis for multiple chronic conditions. I'm so excited. I could cry. It's filled with educational content, cool articles, cool voices, completely inclusive, no bias.
We pulled back the curtain on all the stuff that we've learned over a decade of working. Healthcare and help you better navigate what is a complex little maze. So it's super exciting and we're thrilled to me really sort of on the edge of the launchpad now. Almost ready to go. And in our next episode, next week, if he makes the cut, we'll have our very first male guest on Hello Uterus.
We've gone over a half. Without having a dude on this show, , it's been, it's been great. I'm just not gonna lie. It's been absolutely amazing to talk to all of these incredible women researchers, doctors, patients, activists just amazing, amazing and honestly that there's, we have. hundreds more to bring to you.
And it's kind of shocking that we're having this person on, but there's an excellent reason why. It's because he's empathic, compassionate, and informed. and I believe, it can demonstrate that it's possible. You can be a male gynecologist and be effective. It's, it's really. So he's also an Endo specialist, so don't miss this conversation with Dr.
Nicholas Fogelson of Northwest Endometriosis and Pelvic Surgery. I'm telling you, you really need to tune in for this one. So come back next week for another episode of He Uterus. Until then, be well, be cool, be kind.
Angel: The Hello Uterus podcast is For Informational Use Only The content shared here is to not be used to diagnose or treat any medical condition. Please ask your physician about your health and call 911 if it's an emergency. And thank you, Uterine kind for listening.